tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post7572721456144682278..comments2024-02-27T17:43:37.207-05:00Comments on View From the Racetrack Grandstand: $4,311,546That Blog Guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15487597769210721585noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post-80041787907976408382013-07-15T06:58:37.684-04:002013-07-15T06:58:37.684-04:00While you and others may wager more if you knew th...While you and others may wager more if you knew this group of bettors were not betting as much as your believe, the decision to go public with this information would have to come from track ownership. They apparently have made the business decision not to go public with this information so the chips will need to land where they may. To the Meadowlands' credit, it was Jeff Gural who announced publicly before the meet a deal was cut with this group of horseplayers.<br /><br />Unless you are wagering on Yonkers races where the SOA claims they have rejected deals with these high volume players you may very well be wagering into pools with 'cartel' money. It is just the Meadowlands is a high profile track where others are allowed to function in anonymity. <br /><br />To be fair 'significant' or 'insignificant' are relative terms. What I may consider to be insignificant you may consider significant and vice versa.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />That Blog Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15487597769210721585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post-32304006757781273082013-07-15T06:23:50.173-04:002013-07-15T06:23:50.173-04:00Blaine, you were correct and I was wrong. In this...Blaine, you were correct and I was wrong. In this case, you were right that the horses from the slowest elimination had more in their tank than the others; it is a good handicapping rule. However, as you know when it comes to horse racing, no rule is absolute (I remember the time my father told me you never bet the outside horses at Yonkers and within 40 minutes the 8-8 daily double came in.<br /><br />I hope you cashed big on the Haughton.That Blog Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15487597769210721585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post-82117527598571553512013-07-14T18:49:29.452-04:002013-07-14T18:49:29.452-04:00Yo Pacingguy, what's your take on the Haughton...Yo Pacingguy, what's your take on the Haughton Memorial Final? The top 6 finishers were the top 3 from their respective elims, but the top 3 finishers in the final came from the elim with the slower final time, but had a faster final quarter where Sweet Lou, Pet Rock and Bolt The Deur all came home in 25 and change. Blainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01099944785495100269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post-65451350783612282732013-07-14T18:28:37.963-04:002013-07-14T18:28:37.963-04:00If I may ask, how do you know that cartel wagering...If I may ask, how do you know that cartel wagering has dropped off since earlier this meet, and how do you know that it doesn't make up a "significant" portion of the handle? I'm not doubting or discounting what you say, but I would love to know where this information comes from. I'd be far more inclined to wager more money at the Meadowlands if I KNEW that less of the handle is controlled by a group wagering with an enormous advantage, and I know that other players feel the same way. So while the track has no obligation to disclose these figures, it might be to their ADVANTAGE to actually do so, especially if this group has cut back on their play (as you have suggested). It would make the gains look far more impressive, and reassure many "larger" players that they are not wagering at an extreme disadvantage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post-39995166085575518412013-07-14T17:55:46.264-04:002013-07-14T17:55:46.264-04:00First of all, the amount of money the cartel has b...First of all, the amount of money the cartel has been playing at the Meadowlands has supposedly gone down compared to where it has been at the start of the meet. In addition, people have this idea this so-called cartel is making up a huge amount of the handle which is simply not true. Why doesn't the track publicly go into detail as to the figures? First of all as a private business they are under no obligation to do so and secondly, why would they let their competitors know how its working out?<br /><br />As to why hasn't the purse account gone up, there are several factors. First of all, how much of the handle comes from exporting the signal versus wagered on track, how much the purse account in the hole at the start of the meet which needs to be made up (the track loaned the money to the purse account), and perhaps this money is being reserved for the fall meet. You also seem to fail to recall some lower classes did receive a purse hike earlier this year to match hikes made elsewhere in the region.<br /><br />With regards to the Smilin Eli situation, the rule applies to horses stabled in New Jersey. It is also not unique; earlier this year the press reported that Lou Pena had to move his horses from his original base of operation in New Jersey because only licensed trainers can stable there. As for out of state farms, I am not sure of the rule but the NJRC can only control what goes on in New Jersey; perhaps the reason Gural tracks require trainers to allow a special investigator to have access to their horses at training facilities.<br /><br />Why did the Smilin Eli issue come up? Probably someone reported it to the judges. Hence, I don't think it was a case of being singled out but the judges being made aware of the situation. If this happened before the draw, the whole issue may have been resolved in time.<br /><br />Also, for the record, while not in New Jersey, Delaware had in the last two years a horse racing under another trainers name so it could compete in certain events limited to horses trained by Delaware trainers.That Blog Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15487597769210721585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4684463172854959042.post-65510133950578640932013-07-14T17:30:53.363-04:002013-07-14T17:30:53.363-04:001 - We don't know how much of that increased h...1 - We don't know how much of that increased handle can be attributed to "hard work", as opposed to a single, highly-advantaged cartel simply upping their usual nightly play. Of course, we still don't even know what they're betting on an "average" night, since those numbers have been guarded better than the Colonel's secret recipe. Strictly from a mathematical perspective, their wagering has to represent a high percentage of actual handle since the amount of purse money distributed has not been reflective of the "great numbers" we keep hearing about. Clearly a large portion of the increased handle generates a low return to management and the horsemen, strongly suggesting it's coming from the infamous cartel.<br /><br />2 - the Smilin Eli situation is interesting because I've never heard a rule that a horse racing in NJ must be stabled at a "licensed facility". On any given night, there are plenty of horses that ship in to The Meadowlands from N.Y. farms, none of which would be considered "licensed", and certainly are not subject to the much stricter rules of New Jersey farms. If an unlicensed trainer was indeed training this horse, well that's a different story altogether. Of course, there are already a couple of flagrant "beards" in NJ that race at The Meadowlands while management turns a blind eye, so singling out this horse (for having a "beard"), seems somewhat arbitrary. I'm not suggesting that "bearding" is okay, but simply wondering why THIS horse was singled out in dramatic fashion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com